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Wednesday, 19 October 2011

Oratory Mass Changes


The Oratory Fathers, are reduced to 2 active priests (Fr Gregory is no longer able to say Public Masses owing to his mature age; Fr Dermot and Fr Guy are away) leaving Fr Anton (PP and director of Music), and Fr Paul. Therefore there has been an alteration in the Parish Mass schedule, decided by the Fathers and ratified by the Provost Fr Ignatius, and the Archdiocese.

This happens to benefit those who attend the Traditional Form since it's numbers have grown to the point it cannot be cancelled, and so therefore it's being combined with previous Novus Ordo time slots.

From immediate effect the Saturday morning Latin Low Mass will be at the slightly earlier time of 9am AT THE HIGH ALTAR (with English readings) followed by exposition and Benediction at 10.45am.

Commencing the First Sunday in Advent, the Sunday Morning EF Latin Mass will be IN THE SOLEMN FORM at 10.30am. There will only be High Masses using the revised Missal of 1969 for extra Feasts (except those transferred in the New Calendar, when as is customary, an EF Solemn High Mass is celebrated on the Traditional un-transferred date at 7:30pm weekdays and 11am Saturday, eg Epiphany, Corpus Christi, etc.)

Holy Souls (November 2nd) will have an EF High Mass at 7:30pm

Please support this opportunity, the first weekly Solemn High Mass in the Archdiocese. Similar endeavours are happening with the Franciscans in Stoke, but the Oratory will of course feature the professional polyphonic choir, which under Fr Anton's direction will probably not have must Plainchant!

We are working on deciding an appropriate translation to use in the Mass sheets. I suggest perhaps the Knox translation which is easier for the congregation to read than the Shakespearean English used in the Douay Rheims. What do you think? How about the RSV or NRSV?

3 comments:

sean said...

i am familiar with just the jerusalem(!) and the douay-rheims (challoner) but i see the major problem with the latter as its rendering of personal and place names in forms that are, to me at least, unfamiliar (eg: elisius for elisha). i just googled the knox translation and it seems to follow the douay-rheims in this matter. i am not sure i have ever heard a sermon using these older forms.

Tom said...

RSV preferably, or Knox (but that is no longer approved for use in this country).

Not sure what you mean when you say: "There will only be High Masses using the revised Missal of 1969 for extra Feasts, (except those transferred in the New Calendar, when as is customary, an EF Solemn High Mass is celebrated on the Traditional un-transferred date at 7:30pm weekdays and 11am Saturday)". Does this mean that, in the main, the High Mass will be in the EF (ie 1962 Missal), but where there is a clash between new and old calendars, it will be OF? Examples could be Christ the King, Holy Family and the ...gesima Sundays - which some EF followers might find difficult. Or does it mean something else? Not trying to be awkward: I simply cannot work out what is being said.

It goes without saying that Frs Paul and Anton need all our help and support.

Dr Matthew Doyle said...

Tom, On Sunday it will always be in the Old Rite.
For feasts that get transferred in the new calendar (eg Epiphany, Ascension, Corpus Christi) there will continue to be a (non-obligational) High Mass in the Old Rite.

However, on other first class feasts (eg midnight Mass, All Saints, Assumption, etc) the evening High Mass will be New Rite. On such days the Old Rite will have a Low Mass at 5:45pm.

That is my understanding but all mass times are TBC until announced by the Oratory Fathers.

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